Tuesday, November 15, 2011

SKP Co-ops, Long Term Plans

Several people have been curious about the posts we made on our blog about the Escapees co-ops we are visiting, and how they work.

Our favorite Casita - back door
We believe all full time RVers should have an exit plan for coming off the road for age, illness, or desire, We have had a rough plan in mind for a while, and are now firming up our exit plan. As with everything else RV related, we may change our plans, or modify them at some later date.
Side patio

Our long term plan is to remain in an RV, but when the time comes to get off the road, park the RV at a SKP co-op. Escapee (SKP) co-ops are RV parks affiliated with the Escapees RV club (designed for full timers who RV 365 days a year).
Patio faces the valley view
We will buy in (lease) a lot in a SKP co-op before the time to get off the road permanently, and use it as a home-base in the meantime, perhaps staying several months a year. We want one not in a city, but near good shopping, 'maybe' a military base somewhat nearby, a VA hospital or clinic is an upside, decent medical and dental care nearby, and maybe even an assisted living facility nearby. Some freezing nights is okay, and an occasional light dusting of snow, but with decent daytime temps to walk or be outside.

The people in the co-op purchase a life time lease on a lot, and then all lease holders jointly own and operate the park, with member elected boards for decision making. They have nice community centers, community activities, and keep a clean and well operated park. The cost of the lease varies park to park, plus the cost of authorized 'improvements' on the lots such as a Casita, storage shed, cement pads, etc. The co-op members help keep the park up to reduce cost of hired help.

When we buy a lifetime lease, we can sell it back early, or if we die our kids can sell the lease back. When finished with the lease, the entire lease cost is returned back to us. The only long term cost is annual maintenance fees, which pay for the community roads, community shared space and buildings/utilities.
The annual maintenance fee includes water, sewer, usually cable TV, usually wifi in at least the community center, garbage, weed control, and more. The only cost to us once we 'own' a lot is electric, propane, and the annual maintenance fee which varies park to park and year to year. Benson was $1,000 last year, so after buying the lease about $100 per month, plus our own electric and propane use.

If we travel, we can at our option, place our lot in the rental pool for other Escapees who are not co-op lease holders to rent while we are gone. The rental pool splits the proceeds, approx 1/4 to the park for overhead, approx 3/4 split by everyone in the rental pool. So overall, after an up front cost of a low of 3,000 for a bare lot in Hondo TX, to a bare lot in Benson AZ for $10,000, to a lot with a very nice Casita in a popular location perhaps $25,000 to $50,000, then thereafter $100 a month average, minus any rental proceeds we earn when we travel. (only the lot rents out, not the Casita itself which will be locked up).
So bottom line, that is our long term plan, for a low cost way to have a home base, and a landing place when we cannot or do not want to travel either temporarily, or long term.
A different kind of landscaping

Benson AZ has the longest waiting list, currently around 7 years. That works for us as we want to travel right now anyway, and cannot tap our 401Ks without penalty for another 4.5 years. We put down a $500 deposit (refundable if we change our minds) to get on the list at Benson AZ Saguro Co-op. We are number 374.

We plan to travel many more years, don't think we want the trouble of a deeded house again, and have no desire to rent. A SKP co-op gives us a community of like minded folks, a community center on site, and the opportunity to travel without worrying about our "home/homestead" as the co-op looks after it in our absence. When we are no longer capable of living in a co-op we would also be incapable of living in a house, and it will be time for an assisted living facility. A list of all the SKP co-ops and locations: http://www.escapees.com/baseco_op.asp

We still have yet to visit the Yuma AZ, Pahrump NV, Wauchula FL, or 2 California co-ops, and we want to re-visit and re-evaluate the Sutherlin Oregon co-op. If we change our minds as we visit more co-ops next calendar year, we can get our $500 Benson AZ deposit back, losing only the additional $20 handling fee.

Thus far this year we visited the Lone Star Coral co-op in Hondo TX, The Ranch in Lakewood NM, Rovers Roost in Casa Grande AZ, Saguro in Benson AZ, and 2 years ago Evergreen Coho in Chimacum WA, and Timber Valley in Sutherlin OR. Our favorites so far are Saguro, The Ranch, and Timber Valley. FL is not a player for us, so we will skip that co-op. The Ranch is a nice friendly park, and nearby Artesia NM is pretty nice - however the co-op is out of town a good ways. The Ranch had lots available right now - no wait.

We don't recall the Oregon park very well as we were not in the market for a co-op at the time, so we plan to revisit as it this coming summer as a potential area for us. The WA co-op is not an area we are interested in. It is in the NW peninsula of WA, fairly remote, and with limited roads in and out, plus the ferry system. We doubt Yuma AZ will work for us either as we want a year around weather capable park and Yuma may be too hot in summer. For us, 'light snow' and 'a few' freeze temp nights are more acceptable than extreme heat in summer.

So in a nutshell, that is our current long term plan.

Time to slow down, people!




Monday, November 14, 2011

Saguaro SKP Park, Benson, AZ



We spent last week in Benson, AZ.  We have stayed in Benson a couple of times, but it has been awhile.  So, we have been busy driving around southern Arizona getting familiar with the area again.  We liked it quite a bit last time and we still do.  We drove to Davis-Monthan AFB/Tucson one day.  On the second day, we drove to Ft. Huachuca Army Base/Sierra Vista and to Patagonia to see where we would be spending our winter.  On the third day, we drove over to Casa Verde near Phoenix to see another Co-op park.  That park wasn’t as nice as the one in Benson.  
Look George!  It's delivery Oats!
After all that driving around, we decided to stay home to do a little resting and catching up on everything.  

We did some walking around the park, took photos of the casitas that we liked the best.  The Casitas face east so quite a few of the photos are of their backsides.  Most of them have nice porches and decks facing towards the east.




The lots are very spacious and people do quite a bit of landscaping.  We were assigned a front row site and fell in love with the view.



  

Across the street we were able to watch Quail run back and forth.  They are very comical little birds.  They really kept the cats entertained. 


We know we have not seen all of the Co-op parks yet, but we decided to get on the Saguaro SKP's waiting list here in Benson.  There are 372 people waiting to have a site here which means it may take up to 7 years to get a site.  


In the meantime, we plan to keep looking at the other parks.  We might change our minds and decide on a different park.  We can be on more than one waiting list.  We will have to wait and see.

Saturday, November 5, 2011

On the Road Again

On the Road Again, Headed For:
(El Paso, TX)
(Deming NM)
(Benson AZ)
(Patagonia AZ)

While at the Kirtland AFB Military Family Campground (FamCamp) Dan installed a new complete hydraulic leveling jack pump assembly in our Bluebird Coach, and Dan and our son Shaun installed a new power window motor in Shaun's SUV.  We also had the 60,000 mile service done on our Subaru WRX, and replaced a front axle that had a torn CV boot, that slung all the grease out and was damaged.
Madrid
Before we left Albuqueruqe we made a scenic drive on the Turquoise Trail to Santa Fe. This is a road we often took on our motorcycle trips when we lived here. An excellent trip if you like taking rides on back country roads.

We did our traditional lunch stop at the Mine Shaft Tavern for lunch in Madrid – pronounced Mad Rid. We stopped there for the atmosphere as well as for the food. 

Howdy!

Beautiful Bells on display
The town was once a coal mining ghost town turned into a very colorful and lively artistic place to visit with galleries and shops.   There is always a lot of artwork - very enticing artwork - sitting in the front yards.  Don't these places look inviting?

Love the colors!
Excellent! Double doors with screens and red!
Madrid was the location for Maggie’s Diner in the movie “Wild Hogs” being filmed there. Funny, that was not there before the movie. 
Maggie's Diner
Funny movie, but I don't think it caught the wonderful essence of Madrid.

We said Good-bye to our son, Shaun. We had a wonderful visit with him. It was so good to hear how he was doing - which is great and he looks great. 


Dan & Shaun
On Tuesday 1 November we arrived in El Paso TX at the Ft Bliss Army Famcamp.  Our purpose in El Paso was to have the Coach serviced for oil, oil filter, fuel filter, check differentials, and lube the chassis at Speedco.  Speedco is the equivalent of Jiffy Lube, only for over the road semi trucks and diesel motor homes. Our coach used 22 quarts of new oil, 2 filters, lube for the chassis, and everything else looked good.

 Ft Bliss had an amazing Post Exchange complete with a outdoor mall complex, including a 10 screen theater, Wild Wings, Irish Pub, multiple stores, huge food court and more.  We also stocked up at the base commissary.

Today, November 5th, we moved 102 miles to Deming NM to an Escapees RV park.  Winds were pretty heavy, but should let up tomorrow.  If the winds do subside we will move on to Benson AZ (near Tucson) to an Escapees co-op RV park in the morning.

We plan on one week or less in Benson, then we will move to Patagonia AZ where we have accepted  winter volunteer positions.

We will be volunteering in Southern AZ on a private wild life preserve of 312 acres, and be the only 'campers' on the grounds.  It is approximately 60 miles south of Tucson/Benson, 20 miles north of Nogales AZ, and at 4,000' altitude.

Previous volunteers Frank and Josee Kee wrote the following:
The name of the preserve is Patagonia Sonoita Creek Preserve (PSCP) and is located adjacent to the town of Patagonia Arizona (AZ). It is privately owned by The Nature Conservancy (TNC) an international nonprofit organization whose mission is to protect and preserve valuable habitat and waterways for the preservation of bio-diversity. In Arizona TNC has 1.5+ million acres in their care and 12 major preserves. Only 4 are open to the general public. PSCP was acquired in 1966 and is the first preserve acquired by TNC in Arizona.

It is a very valuable piece of land because it is an endangered riparian habitat that has year around water flow in the creek. Riparian habitats support the majority of biodiversity in a desert landscape. It is host to numerous fauna, mammals, reptiles, endangered fish, and insects.

The access to water attracts this diverse collection. The most common question is “what animals can we see”…In which we reply Deer, squirrels, cotimundi, skunk, bear, coyote, cougar and javelina and …yes rattlesnake can be seen once in a blue moon.

Frank and Josee  who volunteered there 2.5 years  wrote more details here:  http://www.keesmail.com/public_html/TNCVol/

We committed to a minimum of 3 months, with a possible option to extend longer. We will start not later than 21 November, likely earlier as we have accelerated our schedule.

Dan and Sandy

Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Old Town Albuquerque

San Felipe de Neri Church rebuilt in 1793

We spent a beautiful afternoon wandering around historic Old Town Albuquerque - an old Spanish settlement founded in 1706.  There are several sites with information about the historic Old Town area.

Sandy took a few photos and she will get them into our Webshots later.  So here are a few interesting shots to give you a quick tour of our walk...just to give you a taste of the old southwest....

We walked around the Plaza surrounded by traditional adobe style buildings doing a little window shopping, wandering down little alley ways, smelling delicious spicy aromas, and viewing a variety of artwork.

Ristra
Come along with us as we walk....


...through shady alleys, nooks and crannies......


.... where we discovered many shops and restaurants....
..and artists selling their artwork...
 ...and inviting places to sit and rest awhile.

 Did you enjoy your walk?

Día De Los Muertos ~ Day of the Dead

Old Town is getting ready to celebrate the Day of the Dead and All Souls Day.  The Mexicans have celebrated the Day of the Dead for centuries.  


Later, the Spaniards moved the celebration date to combine their All Souls Day with the Day of the Dead to keep the ritual more Christian.   

Day of the Dead is a time to celebrate life and to remember love ones. 

If you want to read more about the history, please click on the following links:
Dayof the Dead History and Day of the Dead in Mexico 

We will stay in Albuquerque another week to 10 days weather permitting, then head south.